Ariana Grande

[Puffer]

Being an old fart with negligible interest on what passes for (err) 'popular music', I had never heard of Ariana Grande before the Manchester atrocity.   By the same token, I had no intention of watching the concert last night but caught the last five minutes on TV whilst waiting for the late-running news to start.

Ariana looks to be a pretty and personable young lady and obviously has a big following.   Whether she is truly a good role model is something I cannot judge but her heart appears to be in the right place.   And I could scarcely not notice her black suede platform boots with what looked like a six-inch stiletto heel:      

Her ability to prance and run in them onstage was enviable - and let's hope it inspires her followers likewise.   I gather that she is a high heel lover and indeed is uncomfortable when not in heels.

[Shyheels]

I too had never heard of her until the terrorist attack at her concert - nor indeed had I ever seen any of the acts that joined her on sage last night, although their names were vaguely familiar.  I certainly noticed her very, very high heeled boots and her ability to cavort on stage as carefree and easy as though she were in sneakers. Clearly she has had much practice and must be very fit and supple.

[FastFreddy2]

6 hours ago, Puffer said:

I gather that she is a high heel lover and indeed is uncomfortable when not in heels.

I was going to write that she was South American, so likely short etc.... Thought I'd better check before making an assumption based on the sound of her name and her olive skin colour. Good job I did.

Seems she has mixed parentage, with some Italian? Moving from New York, her mother gave birth to her in Florida. A child star, with 10 years in the business already, she has a four octave voice quality to match the internationally famous diva; Mariah Carey.

My guess is that as a child-star, (and maybe someone with slightly diminutive stature) wearing a heel has been something she's had to do for some years already. Although currently 23, here is a picture taken in 2014.

 

Picture of innocence? 

She has it all. Looks, figure, age, and talent. 

Edited June 5, 2017 by FastFreddy2

[euchrid]

4 hours ago, FastFreddy2 said:

I was going to write that she was South American, so likely short etc.... Thought I'd better check before making an assumption based on the sound of her name and her olive skin colour. Good job I did.

Seems she has mixed parentage, with some Italian? Moving from New York, her mother gave birth to her in Florida. A child star, with 10 years in the business already, she has a four octave voice quality to match the internationally famous diva; Mariah Carey.

My guess is that as a child-star, (and maybe someone with slightly diminutive stature) wearing a heel has been something she's had to do for some years already. Although currently 23, here is a picture taken in 2014.

 

Picture of innocence? 

She has it all. Looks, figure, age, and talent. 

Figure?   From that photo, she looks as flat as a 10 year old.  Until she grows some physical maturity, she will continue to be a paedo's wet dream.

[FastFreddy2]

52 minutes ago, euchrid said:

Figure?   From that photo, she looks as flat as a 10 year old.  Until she grows some physical maturity, she will continue to be a paedo's wet dream.

She's 23, and not every woman in the world has had a boob-job.

Back in my younger days when I had a 28" waist, my girlfriends obviously (to me at least) had smaller waists. In fact if Puffer can remember, he has seen several photographs of my first live-in girlfriend, who had very much the same figure as Ariana. When I last saw her, she was even slimmer. (A vegan diet can do that.)

You are assuming every girl in the world likes to eat KFC, MacDonalds, and only consumes sugar filled drinks. Not so. While many Western children have grown to a size 12 or 14 by the time they start taking exams, it's not healthy, nor did it used to be normal before "fast food" filled with fructose became part of the Western world's diet. Ariana has the same shape as most Chinese, Japanese and other Asian countries where fast-food isn't typically available.

In my book, "slim shaming" is as bad as "fat-shaming". This girls's a grafter. Why should she be fat or overweight?

And just for the record "paedophilia" is interest in prepubescent children, which these days max's out around 11 or 12 years old, so paedophilia is an interest in children that are younger than that. There is no way Ariana could be mistaken for a 10 year old or younger as you suggest. 

 

Another example of "paedo's wet dream" ....

Abbey Clancy, 31 year old mother of two.

 

 

She is stunningly gorgeous. 

 

A 32 year old, stunningly pretty girl: Keira Knightley 

 

 

 

Edited June 5, 2017 by FastFreddy2

[Shyheels]

But Abbey Clancy does not look remotely childlike, the other girl does. 

And in legal terms paedophilia involves sex with under age partners. Puberty has nothing to do with it and if you tried to raise that as your defence your lawyer would be laughed out of court and you'd be on your way to a long stretch of porridge 

[FastFreddy2]

16 minutes ago, Shyheels said:

And in legal terms paedophilia involves sex with under age partners. Puberty has nothing to do with it and if you tried to raise that as your defence your lawyer would be laughed out of court and you'd be on your way to a long stretch of porridge 

Get a better Law Manual.

Paedophilia becomes something else after puberty. Under-age sex, is under-age sex. After paedophilia it becomes hepo something or other, which are medical/psychiatric terms. 

Bingo: Hebephilia.

Someone who looks younger than their years is just that, someone who looks younger than their years. I have seen no end of 50-60 year old women of Afro-Caribbean decent you would swear were thirty-somethings. Just because a girl has a diminutive chest, typical of sportswomen, slim women and other other female given to sports or keep-fit, (those who don't binge on KFC, MacDonalds, or sugary drinks without exercising off the excess) are not "paedo's wet dreams". 

Is there a notion here that anyone who isn't fat and looks older than they should, is a "paedo's wet dream"? If so it's a bit of a sick attitude .....

 

 

Edited June 5, 2017 by FastFreddy2
Reference added.

[Shyheels]

My legal knowledge is just fine, thanks. As I say, anyone who tries using "hey, she's passed puberty" as a defence for a charge of having sex with a minor on the grounds that it is technically not paedophilia is on their way to a well deserved jail sentence. 

The girl in the photo is dressed in an extremely provocative way and at the same time doing her very best to look like a school girl and pandering to unwholesome tastes. This is not a case of some innocent waif who simply does not look her age.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Shyheels

[FastFreddy2]

45 minutes ago, Shyheels said:

My legal knowledge is just fine, thanks. As I say, anyone who tries using "hey, she's passed puberty" as a defence for a charge of having sex with a minor on the grounds that it is technically not paedophilia is on their way to a well deserved jail sentence. 

No one here has suggested any sort of defence... But since you are aware there is no such UK law that refers to paedophilia, if there was and the girl/boy concerned was 15 years old, you would get off. Even charged with a Hebephilia, you might get off. Not until you'd been charged with Ephebophilia, would the prosecution stand a chance of a conviction. That's why the medical terms (even when correctly used) are not used. Using the wrong terms would be typical of journalist 'hacks'. It's why I made the point of using "under age sex" that is under the age of consent which includes anyone not 16 (in the UK) . 

Ariana does look a bit younger than her years, but not young/small or childlike enough to be of interest to a paedophile. To a ephebophile perhaps, but what sort of remark is that?

"She looks younger than her years, I bet the ephebophiles love her." .... Sick.

 

 

Edited June 5, 2017 by FastFreddy2
Grammar.

[FastFreddy2]

Looks 10 years old or younger?

 

 

Perhaps some are confusing the way she keeps in touch with her young audience, with something else.

Seems to me, she helps herself to keep her audience by being made up to look young when on stage, but like other performers with fans in their early teen years, often dresses more provocatively than the parents of those children might like. So a role model (getting back to the OP's remarks) but not always a good one. Though I wouldn't envy any parent in 2017 with teenage girls. (While out food shopping this week during the schools half-term break, I have noticed several small groups of -I hope- 15 and 16 year old girls dressed in outfits suitable for 20 something women going to nighclubs. To be frank, I doubt their parents could have seen them leave the house dressed as they were.) 

 

Another act at the same gig: Little Mix

Who took some flak for dressing like this at a charity concert:

[Puffer]

Oh dear!   I rather wish that I had not started this topic, given its digression into somewhat loose discussion of unnatural sexual conduct and potentially illegal acts.   

Ariana may be somewhat child-like in her physical development (or lack of it) but she is still a pretty and personable young lady with a taste for the sort of fashion that members here generally like to see.   If she appeals to certain men for other reasons, that is neither here nor there; I didn't mention her with that in mind.

As to 'paedophilia' et al, we must be careful to distinguish between medical conditions and acts which may constitute offences in law.   Whilst Wikipedia is not always totally reliable, its summary here is helpful in clarifying the position - the first sentence being the key:  

'Pedophilia is not a legal term,^[9] and having a sexual attraction to children is not illegal.^[6] In law enforcement circles, the term pedophile is sometimes used informally to refer to any person who commits one or more sexually-based crimes that relate to legally underage victims. These crimes may include child sexual abuse, statutory rape, offenses involving child pornography, child grooming, stalking, and indecent exposure. One unit of the United Kingdom's Child Abuse Investigation Command is known as the "Paedophile Unit" and specializes in online investigations and enforcement work.^[119] Some forensic science texts, such as Holmes (2008), use the term to refer to offenders who target child victims, even when such children are not the primary sexual interest of the offender.^[120] FBI agent Kenneth Lanning, however, makes a point of distinguishing between pedophiles and child molesters.^[121]'

[Shyheels]

Back to the more wholesome and relevant subject if heels - my, weren't hers high? And doesn't she walk beautifully in them?

Edited June 6, 2017 by Shyheels

[FastFreddy2]

5 hours ago, Shyheels said:

Back to the more wholesome and relevant subject if heels - my, weren't hers high? 

Yes.

I had a bit of a look around the internet to see if she was indeed 'height challenged' and if that had affected her footwear choice, but most of the images I found had her standing alone.  I haven't seen anything of her walking around in heels. Is it bad (unpatriotic) I didn't watch any of the concert? I have a genetic disorder that brings me out in nausea, when listening to anything created by "pop" groups or bands, especially those that have a member with surname of Gallagher. I'm a bit reluctant to listen to the 'airtime filling' waffle of celebrity DJ's during the performance breaks too. All in all, watching the programme live would have been something of a challenge. 

If it's available on iPlayer, maybe I should have a dip-in to see what all the fuss is about. 

Edited June 6, 2017 by FastFreddy2

[Shyheels]

She's 5'3" tall. Not tiny, but not statuesque either. Average height for a British woman is said to be around 5'4"

She certainly walks very fluidly in heels.

I saw a few minutes of the concert. It struck a good note of defiance, even if it did seem a bit like a group hug at times. 

Edited June 6, 2017 by Shyheels